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诺克斯 Knox?
是你吗 You there?
联调局悬赏一百万抓捕鲁道夫
炸弹追凶 第二季 致命奥运 第七集 埃里克
理查德 Richard?
理查德 我是唐·谢博德 Richard, I'm Don Sheppard.
我是《60分钟》的制片人 I'm a producer at 60 Minutes.
不如你滚蛋吧 Yeah, well, how about you get lost.
我无话可说 I have nothing to say.
听着 我看了你的新闻发布会 Look, I saw your press conference.
我读了你律师写的东西 I read what your lawyer wrote.
理查德 听见了吗 Richard, do you hear me?
我真的很想跟你谈谈 I-I really want to talk with you.
但我不想和你谈 Well, I don't want to talk with you.
你们那些话我都听过了 先生 I've heard it all before, sir.
你不过是个满嘴胡话的记者 和其他人一样 You're just another lying journalist like all the others.
你根本不在乎我 谢谢了 You don't give a crap about me. Thank you.
我不怪你会这么想 I-I don't blame you for feeling this way.
换了我也会这样 I-I would, too, in your shoes.
但我们是《60分钟》 But we're 60 Minutes.
我们不追求收视率 We don't chase ratings,
我们也不希望哗众取宠 and we don't go in for sensationalism.
我们只报道真相 We just seek the truth.
简单明了 Plain and simple.
是吗 那你认为真相是什么 Oh, yeah? What-what do you think the truth is?
我不知道 I don't know.
但我非常想知道 But I sure as hell want to find out.
你不觉得至少该听听我们的话吗 Don't you think you should at least hear us out?
你出来吧 You can come on out.
我一个人 没人跟着我 I'm alone. Wasn't followed.
感谢上帝 Thank God.
真的 我真的感谢上帝有你在 I do. I-I truly thank God for you.
那个给你 You can have that.
这是食物和补给物 It's food and supplies.
老天 我真是饿坏了 Oh, man, I've been so hungry.
我不停地在想你赶走联调局的人的情形 I keep thinking about you sending the FBI running.
那天有不少脏兮兮的战斗服吧 Whole lot of shit-stained BDUs that day, huh?
我们告诉了他们谁才是这片林子的主人 Well, we showed them who owns these woods,
反正肯定不是联调局 and it ain't the Feds.
是啊 No.
但是 我... But, you know, I...
我看到了联调局的直升机 I see this FBI chopper.
总在超低空盘旋 Keeps circling around real low
仿佛他们没明白似的 like they didn't get the message.
如果我们能有春田步枪弹和一堆子弹 Hey, if-if we got a .30-06 and a whole bunch of ammo,
我打赌我们肯定能把那玩意从天上打下来 I bet we could bring that thing right down from the sky.
听着 Listen,
在这些大山里费劲巴力 them folks been breaking their backs on these mountains,
讨生活的人 scratching out a living?
那些是我的家人 That's my family.
如果有必要我会为他们战斗 And I will fight for them if need be
-因为其他人不会 -阿门 - 'cause no one else will. - Amen.
打下联调局的直升机 Well, taking down an FBI chopper?
那会害死我的家人 That gets my family killed.
我绝对不允许 I won't allow that.
你明白吗 You understand me?
你说得对 No, you're right.
谢谢 Thank you.
不能杀戮 Thou shalt not kill.
我很相信 I believe that.
尽管我救了成千上万未出生的孩子 And even though I saved hundreds of unborn lives,
阿拉巴马州那个警察依然让我做噩梦 I still have nightmares about that cop in Alabama.
我不想再让自己的手上沾血了 I don't want any more blood on my conscience.
我 我甚至都没有打松鼠的枪 I-I... I don't even have a squirrel rifle.
我也许会夸夸其谈 但其实只是个瓮中之鳖 I may talk big, but I'm just a sitting duck.
所以 And that's why...
我想让你给我看看联调局的所有据点 I asked you for that map of all the FBI positions.
我得知道他们在哪 好躲着他们 I need to know where they are and when so I can avoid them.
行吧 我们看看 All right, let's take a look.
拿着 Hold this.
联调局基地在这 Now... FBI base is here.
-很大 -对 - It's big. - Yeah.
我们这些监管人实际上控制着 Now, we Regulators essentially control
正片森林的内部 the entire interior of the forest.
联调局呢 Fbi?
他们把外围都包围了 所以你逃不出去 They have the whole thing surrounded, so you can't escape.
他们带了一整支军队来 They're basically bringing in an army.
所以我们得格外小心 So we need to be real careful
直到我能实施你的逃离计划 until I can implement your exfil.
什么逃离计划 What exfil?
现在还在策划阶段 Well, it's just in the planning phase,
但我计划带你逃离联调局的封锁线 but I'm working to get you past the FBI cordon
安全地离开这片林子 and out of these woods safely.
对这个社区最好的做法 The best thing for this community
就是让你悄无声息地消失 is gonna be for you to quietly disappear.
那样 这里的人能重新回到 That way, folks can go back to living
普通安静的生活 而你 their normal, quiet lives, and you...
可以回去拯救他们的孩子 can go back to saving them babies.
大家都赢 Everyone wins.
你的任务 Now, your mission...
就是躲起来 is to stay away.
只要看到联调局的巡逻人员 You so much as see an FBI patrol,
都算是失败了 you have failed.
听明白了吗 Do you copy me?
明白 非常明白 Yes, sir. Loud and clear.
好 Okay.
谢谢 Thank you.
你保重 You be safe.
开门 Open the gate.
现在情况如何了 All right, where are we?
现在我们有了火力 Sir, now that we have the firepower,
我们计划开始大规模往森林里推进 the plan is to start moving back into the woods in force.
我们建立了移动指挥所 We establish rolling command posts,
打算一步步夺回森林控制权 take back the forest acre by acre.
如果民兵组织反抗 我们就强力反击 If the militia resist, we hit back, hard.
把他们赶进树林深处 Drive then deeper into the woods.
我们预计民兵团会聚集在 We expect the militia to concentrate
监管人戒备森严的大院里 in The Regulators' fortified compound.
我们一找到那个大院 Once we locate the compound,
就包围住 把他们逼出来 we'll surround it, flush 'em out.
我也不知道对不对 但是这个 Correct me if I'm wrong, but this plan,
一步步攻占树林的计划 occupying the woods, acre by acre,
似乎只能演变成持久战 seems like it can only lead to a protracted war.
说实话 长官 你们已经和民兵组织开战 Frankly, sir, you're already at war with the militia.
这个计划是赢得战争的起点 This is a plan to start winning the war.
如果约翰·格雷躲在戒备森严的大院里 If John Gray is sheltered in a fortified compound
外面被包围 and there's a siege,
1993年联调局对大卫邪教总部韦科山庄进行围剿 双方武装对峙51天后 联调局采取行动 山庄在混乱中被大火烧毁 80名邪教教徒丧生
无可避免会成为另一宗韦科惨案吧 how does that not end up like another Waco?
让我考虑一下 Let me think about it.
明白 Copy.
向平民百姓发动战争 Waging war against American civilians?
他们跟鲁道夫的炸弹一点瓜葛都没有 People who had nothing to do with Rudolph's bombs?
我加入联调局的初衷可不是这个 That's not why I joined the FBI.
你要是有更好的计划 我愿闻其详 杰克 You got a better plan, I'm all ears, Jack.
但是我们都清楚 But we both know
路易·弗里给你派军力不是为了干瞪眼的 Louis Freeh didn't send you an army for you not to use it.
过来 Come here.
过来 来 Come here. Come here.
过来 Come here.
该死 Goddamn it.
真讨厌 Goddamn... it.
给你搭把手 Oh, give you a hand?
-感谢 -客气 - Obliged. - Oh, happy to help.
你一个人住在这荒郊野外的 You live out here all by yourself?
差不多 Pretty much.
只有我和我哥 Just me and my brother.
与世隔绝的吧 You're pretty cut off here, huh?
没错 我喜欢这样 Yup. Like it that way.
是 我也一样 Yeah, of the same mind myself.
来吧 Go on.
那些人从纽约飞过来 Yeah, folks fly in here from New York
就为了寻找片刻宁静 然后过一周再飞回去 just to find some peace, then fly back out a week later.
这是我听过的最傻的事 Dumbest thing I ever heard of.
那玩意是你造的 You build that thing?
对 Yes, sir.
楠塔哈拉哈雷 Nantahala Harley.
能开吗 It run?
当然 Yes, sir.
有人开1957年的雪弗莱 Some folks got a '57 Chevy.
我给自己弄了个57块钱的雪弗莱 I got me a $57 Chevy.
他怎么了 What's wrong with him?
得癌了 Cancer.
我哥 格思里 My brother Guthrie.
你得癌了 You got cancer?
我爸得癌死的 Yeah, my daddy died of cancer.
这些是什么 What're these here?
吃了有用吗 These doing anything for you?
没有 No.
当然没有 No, of course not.
政府允许你吃这些玩意 The government allows you to have these
就因为他们知道不管用 'cause they know it won't do nothing.
他们清楚 要是我们身强体健 They know if we're healthy and strong,
是不会容忍他们弄的狗屁新世界秩序的 we wouldn't put up with their New World Order shit.
你听说过苦杏素吗 You ever hear of Laetrile?
听说过 Heard about it.
对 Yeah.
就是用杏仁核做的 It's made from apricot pits.
只要打几针那个 肿瘤就消失了 Couple injections of that stuff, and the tumors are gone.
苦杏素本来能在一周内治好我爸的癌症 Laetrile would have cured my daddy's cancer in a week.
但是药监局和联邦政府就是不允许 But the FDA and the federal government wouldn't allow it.
他就这么死了 That's why he died.
你疼吗 You in pain?
我这还有点 Well, I got something else
政府不让我们用的东西 the government don't want us to have.
上帝保佑你 先生 God bless you, sir.
给 Here.
几年前 我们试过在镇上生活 We tried living in town some years back.
受不了 Didn't take.
不适合我们 Weren't for us.
可不 No, sir.
他们的天下 Their rules, man.
是啊 你以为墨菲就够糟糕的了 Yeah, you think Murphy is bad.
我在纽约待过 I been to New York City.
见鬼 Shit.
我看着那帮人 I look at those people.
低头看着他们时 我看到的是蝼蚁 I'm looking down on them, and I see ants.
就是一堆小蚂蚁爬来爬去 You know, just little tiny ants running around,
遵从着他们的规则 following their rules
听从荷尔蒙的指挥 and obeying their pheromones, you know?
搬着面包屑 Carrying around some little crumb
仿佛那就是最高指示 like it's the be-all-end-all,
人为刀殂 你为鱼肉 when it's just a crumb and you're an ant.
要是我伸出手去 碾死你 And if I reached down and I squashed you...
这个宇宙根本都不会在乎 ...the universe wouldn't give a shit.
而另一只手 And on the other hand,
你把手指插到蚁丘里 you put your finger in the anthill...
看着他们发疯地跑来跑去 you watch 'em all run around like crazy
因为上帝毁了他们的世界 because God himself just blasted their world.
对 Yeah.
了不起吧 That's something, huh?
确实 Yes, sir.
有人陪伴真好 Ain't it nice to have company?
我们平时接触不到人 We don't see nobody.
你是我们半年来在这见过的唯一一个大活人 You're the first soul we've seen up here in six months.
-六七八个月吧 -对 - Six or eight. - Yeah.
上帝作证 God's honest truth.
你们去过镇上吗 墨菲中心 You ever go down to town? Down Murphy?
每隔几个月 我去给他买药 Every few months, I got to go get his pills for him.
顺便在沃尔玛买点东西 Get a few things from the Walmart, too.
开哈雷去吗 What, you take the Harley?
那玩意能拉东西回来 It can carry a load back up here?
-当然可以 -是吗 - Sure can. - Yeah?
那个宝贝 That baby,
如果我有心思申请专利 我早就发财了 if I had the mind to patent it, I'd make a fortune.
人们会大排长龙 向我洒钱 People-- they'd be lined up, throwing money at me.
如果我在乎的话 If I cared to.
你真是废话连篇 多伯特 You're full of shit, Daubert.
我非常高兴认识你们俩 Well, I sure am glad to know you both.
希望我们很快能再见 I hope we can do this again real soon.
*当我独自一人散步* *As I was walking all alane*
*听到两只渡鸦嘀咕* *I saw twa corbies making main*
*一只对另一只说道* *Unto the other did say-o*
*我们今天去哪觅食* *Where shall we gag and dine today-o*
*我们今天去哪觅食* *Where shall we gag and dine today*
看到那只了吗 See that one there?
它叫埃里克 That one's Eric.
不是吧 大的那一只吗 No way. The big one?
-对 -你用我的名字给他命名吗 - Yup. - You named him after me?
是的 先生 Yes, sir.
那只火鸡 That gobbler,
它清楚周围是怎么回事 he knows what's going on.
它清楚 He knows.
*响尾蛇美味可口* *That rattlesnake taste mighty fine
*加上一点黑莓酒* *with a little sip of blackberry wine*
*但现在他妈妈做的菜美味可口* *but right now his mama's cooking sure would taste good*
*你最好跑啊 鲁道夫 快跑* *You better run, Rudolph, run*
*跑啊 鲁道夫 快跑* *Run, Rudolph, run*
*不然联调局就要朝你开枪* *Or the FBI's a-gonna shoot you with their gun.*
你怎么知道的 How'd you figure it out?
我也许不太聪明 I may not be the sharpest tool,
但我时不时还是能猜出个大概 but I can still put a few twos together now and then.
我们会有变化吗 That change things?
当然没有 Hell no.
你可是个英雄 You're a goddamn hero.
我很荣幸你和我们一起 I'm honored that you're here with us.
像我们这样会站出来捍卫信仰的人 Now, guys like us, who stand up for our beliefs,
我们要团结一致 we got to stick together.
-阿门 兄弟 -阿门 - Amen, brother. - Amen.
你不会到处和人说你见过我吧 Now, you ain't gonna go around telling people you met me?
一不小心害死我吧 Be careless, get me killed?
你知道我是支持你的 You know what side I'm on.
你知道我不是个爱吹嘘的人 And you know I'm no braggart.
那就好 Well, good.
我有个问题要问你 I got a question for you.
开哈雷去沃尔玛的那番话 All that talk about taking the Harley down to Walmart...
你就直接说需要什么吧 You just tell me what you need.
谢谢 Thank you.
我开始担心你弟弟 I'm getting worried about your brother.
他现在也该回来了 He should be back by now.
不 需要一段时间才能回来 No, i-it takes a spell coming back.
他只有雪橇 He's only got the sledge.
带着货物跑不快 Can't go so fast with cargo.
多伯特 Daubert.
任务完成 Mission accomplished.
都买到了吗 清单上的所有东西 You get it all? Everything on the list?
全都拿到了 Every last thing.
好极了 All right.
曼妥思糖有促销 They had a sale on Mentos.
我买了一些 要来点吗 So I grabbed them if you want some.
-混合莓子味的 -这样吧 - Mixed berry. - Tell you what.
这些曼妥思糖你自己留着吧 You keep those Mentos for yourself.
是你应得的 You earned them.
看看这些 Lookee here.
很厉害吧 Ain't it somethin'?
我想着你会觉得好笑 I thought you'd get a laugh out of it.
满城都张贴着通缉令 They're all over the place.
联调局通缉逃犯 悬赏一百万美金
你看起来像是耶稣一样 You look like Christ himself on there.
你撕下通缉令的时候 没被人看到吧 Now, you were careful when you took that, right?
当然 我是从电线杆上撕下来的 Sure was. I grabbed it right off a telephone pole.
嗯 Yeah.
后面这么多零 Sure is a shit-ton of zeroes, ain't it?
这些人渣认为可以拿钱换忠诚 Those scumbags think they can buy our loyalty.
不是钱多就万能的 Not for all the zeroes in the world.
谢谢 Thank you.
你做得很好 You did great.
刚才是怎么回事 是枪声吗 What were those? Gunshots, man?
埃里克 Eric?
多伯特开枪自杀了 Daubert shot himself.
什么 What?
为什么 Why?
他因为悲痛而自杀了 Well, he killed himself out of grief.
因为你死了 'Cause you died.
你在说笑 You're joking.
妈的 Shit, man.
不要拿这种事吓我 Don't scare me like that.
你在说笑吧 You're joking, right?
埃里克 Eric.
求求你 Please.
是我啊 It's me.
你了解我 You know me.
求你了 Please?
有需要尽管开口 Whatever you want, just tell me.
都给你 You can have it.
我想要的东西 What I want?
你现在就要给我 You're giving it to me right now.
到此为止 This is it.
我不是蚂蚁 I'm not an ant.
埃里克 我是格思里 Eric, I-I'm Guthrie.
我不是蚂蚁 I'm not an ant.
这取决于你怎么看了 不是吗 Well, depends on your perspective, don't it?
你也许去了一辈子教堂 You can go to church your whole life
也没有这种感觉 and never feel like this.
就像上帝自己一样 Like God himself.
"天赐于人 "The Lord giveth,
也必收回" and the Lord taketh away."
假如你不是废人一个就好了 It'd be better if you weren't such a goddamn cripple.
但只能这样了 But, well.
抱歉 Sorry.
瞧瞧这地方 Wow, look at it.
是啊 别被冲昏了头脑 Yeah, don't let it get to your head.
我们是来感谢邀请的 We're here to say thank you for the offer,
但除非每个镜头都归我们定 but no way are we going on 60 Minutes
否则绝不会上《60分钟》 unless we control every single shot.
-明白吗 -明白 但是真壮观啊 - You hear me? - Yeah, but wow.
好了 走吧 All right, come on.
好的 Yeah. Yeah.
先生们 Gentlemen.
华莱士先生 见到您很荣幸 Mr. Wallace. It's a pleasure, sir.
彼此彼此 The pleasure's mine.
我是沃森·布莱恩特 幸会 华莱士先生 Watson Bryant. Pleasure, Mr. Wallace.
谢谢 Thank you.
你们到底想从我们这里得到什么 What are you looking for from us, exactly?
我们不会提前把问题透露给你们 We don't give you the questions in advance.
也不会告诉你们节目打算报道的内容 We don't tell you what we're going to cover.
要么接受采访 要么拉倒 You either do the interview or not.
我们的地盘 我们说了算 Our house, our rules.
华莱士先生 我们想要的是 What we're looking for, Mr. Wallace,
能说明你们做足了功课的东西 is something that tells us that you've done your homework.
即你们关注的绝非是从联调局或其他媒体口中 That you're looking beyond the goddamn fictional bullshit
说出的胡乱编造的鬼话 of the FBI or the other media.
这可是《60分钟》 This is 60 Minutes,
全美最权威的新闻节目 the most respected news program in America.
CNN台和汤姆·布罗考不也都很权威 And CNN is CNN and Tom Brokaw is Tom Brokaw,
但到目前为止 他们都只是在对 but so far they've all just been parroting
其他报纸或是联调局的报道鹦鹉学舌 the other newspapers or the FBI.
所以请您原谅我们想得到更确切的答案 So you'll excuse me if I ask for something more concrete.
我们仔细阅读了你们在新闻发布会上发放的 We've read your dossier from the press conference,
资料汇编 very carefully.
但我们也雇了自己的独立调查员前往公园 But we had our own independent investigators go to the park
做研究调查 to conduct their research.
他们发现了什么 What did they find?
我们还调查了联调局 从他们所发现的一切 We also researched the FBI, into everything it found
到他们展开调查的方式 无一遗漏 and how they conducted their investigation.
我们还调查了你 And our research into you.
你的过去 工作史 犯罪史 Your history, your work history, your criminal history.
你的一切 Everything.
所以如果你们是想确保 So if you're looking for reassurance
我们有没有做功课 放心 我们做了 that we've done our homework, we've done our homework.
但如果你们是想确保 But if you're looking for reassurance
我们会在电视上宣告你是无辜之人 that we're going to proclaim your innocence on air...
没这回事 ...that's not what happens.
但是华莱士先生 你们的制片人... Well, Mr. Wallace, your producers were...
我只会对我的1500万观众保持忠诚 My only loyalty rests with my 15 million viewers.
我的观众想看到 期望我们做到的 What my viewers want, what they expect from us,
是报道卓越的新闻 is excellent journalism.
他们想看到 期望看到的是 What they want, what they expect,
理查德在电视机前被开膛破肚 is to see Richard get eviscerated on air.
这才是你们找我们做采访的原因 I mean, that's the whole reason that you're asking us
因为这样举国上下 to do this, because the whole nation
都会密切关注理查德·朱维尔 这个炸弹袭击者 will tune in to see Richard Jewell the Bomber
在全国性电视台前纵身跳下悬崖 take a nosedive off a cliff on national TV.
是吗 然后呢 Yes, and?
然后 And...
他是会摔得粉身碎骨 is he gonna splat?
还是能打开降落伞安全落地 Or is his parachute gonna open?
我不确定 I'm not sure.
这取决于事实 That depends on the facts.
我们会一些尖锐问题 看你如何回应 We ask the tough questions and let that speak for itself.
所以没错 你是在跳崖 So, yes, you're jumping off a cliff.
你背上的降落伞也许会打开 也许不会 And your parachute may or may not open.
你要么会在全世界的关注下被免除罪责 You might be exonerated in front of the entire world.
要么会摔得粉身碎骨 Or you might splat.
这就是我们这儿的规矩 That's the rules of the game here.
接受不了 Can't handle them?
就别来掺和 Don't play.
你看吧 So, there you go.
我们就当这是买了个教训 然后去货比三家 We take this as a lesson, and we shop around.
我们去别处找一档能做独家报道 We find somewhere else that'll give us a big exclusive
为我们发声的节目 and tell it from our side.
这是我们从一开始就在寻找的节目 This is what we've been looking for from the beginning.
忠于真相的记者 Journalist whose only loyalty is to the truth.
这也是大家会聆听他的原因 That's why people listen to him.
但很有可能从他口中听到的 But they very well could be listening to him
是你有罪 saying you're guilty.
如果这句话出现在了《60分钟》上 And if that happens, on 60 Minutes...
那就没法翻案了 ...it'll be forever.
那么 你是什么打算 So, what do you want to do?
理查德 Hi, Richard.
谢谢 Thank you.
人们说你是一个肥胖 失败的保安 People say you're a fat, failed security guard
这个岁数了都跟母亲住一起 who lives with his mother.
说得对吗 Is that accurate?
很刻薄 但是没错 It's unkind but true.
人们也说是你制造 放置 People also say that you're the man who built, planted
并引爆了奥林匹克百年纪念公园的那枚炸弹 and detonated that bomb in Centennial Olympic Park.
是你吗 Are you?
-不是我 -别装了 理查德 - No, I am not. - Oh, come on, Richard.
我们知道你在皮德蒙特大学时 We know you were overzealous, aggressive,
就过分热心 咄咄逼人 甚至颇具危险了 even dangerous at Piedmont College.
我们知道你曾因冒充警官而被逮捕 We know you were arrested for impersonating an officer.
我们还知道你迫切想找到一份工作 想成为英雄 We know you were desperate for a job, to be a hero,
想向那个公园里的所有执法人员证明自己 to prove yourself to all the law enforcement in the park.
联调局有证据称 你曾对你朋友说 The FBI has evidence that you told a friend
你会"处在那团乱的正中心" that you were gonna be "Right in the middle of that big mess."
他们也有证据表明 你曾接受过 And they have evidence that you pursued
专门的爆炸物培训 specialized explosives training.
你有个绿色背包 That you owned a green backpack
跟爆炸案中所用的一样 like the one used in the bombing.
你否认以上说法吗 Do you deny any of that?
不 先生 我不否认 No, sir, I do not.
但你却告诉我们 当晚你通过某种第六感 And you're telling us that it's just a huge coincidence
恰好发现了一枚炸弹 that you happened to find a bomb
这一切只是一个巧合 through some sort of sixth sense on that night?
这样的解释是不是有点太牵强了 Doesn't it seem far-fetched to you?
更合理的解释难道不是 And doesn't it seem more reasonable to believe
你把炸弹放在那里 that you placed the bomb there
如此你就可以找到它并成为英雄 so you could find it and become a hero?
对我来说这样的解释显然更有道理 Because that seems a lot more plausible to me.
他把他引入圈套了 我们完蛋了 He just put his head in the goddamn noose. We are screwed.
我知道很难让人们相信 I know it's hard for many people to believe
像我这样的人 that someone who looks like me,
生活中的失败者 someone who, um, hadn't been successful in life,
社会底层的人 someone who's, uh, lower-class
一个犯过很多错误的人可以成为英雄 and has made a lot of mistakes in his life could be a hero.
我观察到人们 One of the things I've discovered about people,
在偏见上 有个特点 他们更容易 about prejudice, is that it's somehow easier
把我这样的人看成是一个恶人 to look at me and imagine that I'm a villain.
但是我今天告诉你 But I say to you today,
告诉执法部门 and I say to law enforcement,
告诉所有正在看这个采访的人 and to everyone who will watch this:
不要只根据外表作评判 look beyond appearances before you judge.
看看我的内心 Look inside my heart.
你会看到我是一个正直的人 You will see that I'm an honorable man.
看看事实 Look at the facts,
你们会看到我是一个无辜的人 and you'll see that I'm an innocent man.
说的好 你这个能干的家伙 You tell him, you beautiful sack of shit!
"一个无辜的人" "An innocent man."
但记者们没那么说 Well, that's not what the journalists are saying.
联邦调查局的调查 And that's not what
也不那样的结果 the Federal Bureau of Investigation is saying.
让我给你看看这些 Let me show you these.
《亚特兰大宪报》 号外 联调局怀疑"英雄"保安或放置炸弹
一篇又一篇的报道 Headline after headline.
"南方炸弹佬"遭扣押 因爆炸案受询
这些报道不可能都是错的吧 They can't all be untrue.
有可能 而且确实都错了 They can be and they are.
媒体想要一个抓人的头条 The media wanted a dramatic headline
来增加报纸的销量 所以他们制造了一个 to sell papers, so they created one.
你是说整个媒体行业 You're saying that the entire media establishment,
从《亚特兰大宪报》 everyone from the Atlanta Journal-Constitution
到CNN 到CBS 所有人 to CNN to CBS News itself
都罔顾事实 is placing sensationalism
制造耸人听闻的报道吗 over truth?
联调局 That the FBI,
世界上最受尊敬的执法部门 the most respected law enforcement bureau in the world,
怎么着 是在撒谎吗 is, what, lying?
还是仅仅是搞错了 Or just wrong?
联调局想要面子好看 The FBI wanted to look good.
他们想要 看上去强大且高效 They wanted to... to look strong and effective
给大众以安全感 and give everyone the impression that they were safe.
"我们已经抓到了罪犯 而且很快就抓到了" "We got our man, and we got him quickly."
所以他们把我的名字泄露给媒体 So they leaked my name to the press.
他们和媒体合谋 They colluded with the media,
每一方都获益 and everyone got what they wanted,
即使这建立在谎言的基础上 even if it meant telling a lie
即使这毁了一个无辜的人的生活 and destroying an innocent man's life.
你声称联调局自己的时间线 You claim that the FBI's own timeline
就足以排除你的嫌疑 essentially eliminates you as a suspect.
因为你既不可能布置炸弹 That you could neither have placed the bomb
也不可能打911报告炸弹 nor made the 911 call warning about the bomb.
《新闻60分》对你的说法进行了独立调查 60 Minutes has investigated your claims independently.
我们发现不仅 And we've discovered that not only
联调局的时间线 does the FBI's timeline
排除了你的嫌疑 eliminate you as a suspect,
而且炸弹的规模和特性本身 but the size and the nature of the bomb itself
也让联调局的理论 makes the FBI's theory
几乎不可能 extremely improbable.
正如我从一开始就说了 A s I've been saying from the beginning,
我是无辜的 I am an innocent man.
而且你证明了这一点对不对 And you proved that, didn't you?
你用证据在公众面前证明了自己无罪 You went public with the facts exonerating you.
是的 先生 Yes, sir.
你证明自己确实无罪 You proved your innocence beyond a doubt.
他们是怎么反应的呢 What was their reaction?
他们不听 They didn't listen.
尽管事实证明 真凶仍然潜逃在外 And they still haven't listened, even though the facts indicate
他们仍然不听 that the real bomber is still out there.
是这样的 先生 That is correct, sir.
好像永远没个头 先生 It'll never end, sir.
因为联调局泄露了你的名字 Because the FBI leaked your name.
-上帝 -媒体更看重好的故事 或简单的 - God. - And the media valued a good story or an easy...
你为什么加入联调局 斯泰西 Why'd you join the FBI, Stacey?
我吗 Me?
我在伊斯特波恩特长大 Growing up in East Point,
那里的警察都是你这样 the cops always looked like you.
我那时想让伊斯特波恩特的小女孩 And I wanted the little girls in East Point
能够看着我 然后看到 to be able to look at me and see
也有警察是她们那样 there's someone who looks like you.
有人在试着解决问题 Who's out there trying to fix things,
试着让事情变得更好 trying to make things better.
而不是什么都不干放任这种破事 Instead of just watching while this bad shit happened
发生在好人身上 而祈祷自己不会是下一个 to good people and praying you wouldn't be next.
如果我们才是那些 What if we're the ones
伤害好人的坏人呢 doing bad shit to good people?
还记得我们审讯他的时候吗 Remember when we were questioning him?
我们和他说话的全程 The whole time we were talking to him,
他都很焦虑不安 想要告诉我们 he was tying himself up in knots trying to tell us
他认为我们想听到的话 what he thought we wanted to hear.
"乖孩子综合征"之类的 "Good boy syndrome," Whatever you called it.
记得 所以呢 Yeah, so?
你怎么了 So what's your problem?
我觉得我也焦虑不安 My problem is I'm tying myself up in goddamn knots
挣扎着不要讲出真相 trying to keep from speaking the truth.
而且我得说我担心我们冤枉了一个无辜的人 And I'd say I'm worried we screwed over an innocent man.
我们玩政治游戏 We played politics.
被媒体报道分神 Got distracted by headlines,
就在忙活这些的时候 and while we were doing that,
我们放跑了鲁道夫 we let Rudolph off the hook to run around
让他有机会设计他的下一 free to plan his next...
我觉得这样有损职业操守 I'd say we compromised our integrity.
有损联调局的操守 The FBI's integrity.
如果继续无动于衷 知错不改 And we're still compromising it by sitting here doing nothing,
就是在继续犯错 instead of making things right.
你认真的吗 Seriously?
万一是真的呢 What if it's true?
你也知道证据不是那样 杰克 You know the evidence doesn't say that, Jack.
部分证据 Some of it.
万一是因为我们只看到自己想看的证据呢 But what if we're only seeing the evidence we want to see?
行了 见鬼 Okay, shit.
这是怎么回事 What's happening right now?
我们手上还有恩布里提供的材料 We still have that dossier from Embry.
《亚特兰大宪报》首先报道 The Atlanta Journal-Constitution was the first to report
-你有嫌疑 -谢谢 - that you were a suspect. - Thank you.
除此之外 他们还指出 But not only that, they said
你符合这些人的特征 独自作案的炸弹袭击者 that you fit the profile of a lone bomber,
希望成为英雄 a frustrated police wannabe
想当警察却屡屡受挫的人 who wanted to become a hero.
他们暗示是你放置了炸弹 Suggesting that you had planted the bomb there
这样就能挺身而出成为英雄 so that you'd come off as a hero.
都是谎话 It's all a lie.
他们只说 Whatever will sell
能够畅销 能够吸引 or keep the story in the news
持续关注的报道 is what they've been saying.
要我关了吗 凯西 You want me to turn it off, Kath?
-不用管它 -宪报还指出 - No, leave it. - The Journal also reported
调查员相信朱维尔就是炸弹袭击者 in vestigators believed Jewell was the bomber
相信爆炸发生前就是朱维尔拨打911电话 and that he had made a 911 call about the bomb
报告炸弹 before it exploded.
但随后朱维尔的律师演示论证 But Jewell's attorneys later demonstrated
该911电话是在朱维尔 that the call was made while Jewell
身在百年纪念公园时拨出 was still inside Centennial Park.
宪报及其记者凯西·斯克鲁格斯 The Journal and reporter Kathy Scruggs
拒不收回报道 尽管他们的报道 refused to back down, even when their stories
已被证实显然错误 were proven to be demonstrably false.
朱维尔从未被起诉 Jewell has never been charged,
也从未被捕 and has never been arrested.
但不论日夜 不算去哪儿 But night and day, wherever he goes,
-借过 -都有联调局跟着他 - Excuse me. - Jewell is followed by the FBI.
当朱维尔开车出门 When Jewell goes out for a drive,
也有联调局尾随 the FBI is on his tail.
不是仅一个探员 Not just one agent,
而是一整个联调局车队 but a whole FBI convoy.
-我一路来这儿 -天啊 - I fought so hard to get here, - Holy shit.
讲出自己的故事 很不容易 to get my story told.
-我已经重复过太多次 -就是这个 - I've said this all so many times - This is it.
但从来都没人听 But nobody ever listened.
现在他们肯定在听 Well, they're sure listening now.
因为即使所有人都只顾 Because even in a world where everybody's
卖座的报道 selling stories,
真相仍然重要 the truth still matters.
感谢你帮我们讲述真相 Thank you for helping me tell it.
谢谢你 Thank you.
联调局拒绝 The FBI has refused
谈论调查 to discuss its investigation,
拒绝回答 refused to say whether
朱维尔是否仍为嫌疑人 Jewell is still a suspect,
且拒绝对消息泄露事件作回应 and refused to discuss the leak.
此外 朱维尔太太表示 And by the way, Mrs. Jewell says
联调局仍未返还特百惠保鲜盒 the FBI has still not returned her Tupperware
及迪士尼录像带 or her Disney tapes.
谢谢 Thank you.
谢谢你们 谢谢你们 Thank you. Thank you.
你说怎么着 You know what?
-你说怎么着 -嗯 - You know what? - Yeah.
-嗯 你也知道了吧 -嗯 - Yeah? You feel that? - Yeah.
好小伙子 你做到了 You beautiful man. You did it.
你做到了 你做到了 You did it! You did it!
来走吧 天啊 Come on, now. God!
《60分钟》 60 Minutes.
嗯 这儿 Yeah. There.
就是这个 Oh, this is it.
泥炭苔买了吗 Did you get my peat moss?
修枝剪呢 The pruning shears?
抱歉 亲爱的 I'm sorry, honey.
你在沃尔玛都买啥了 What did you get at Walmart?
我买了个炸弹 I bought a bomb.
清单上可没那玩意 This wasn't on the list.
还记得那个双螺旋电线吗 You remember that double helix wire--
不知道干吗的 是这个的支架 we couldn't figure it out? It's the backing on this
假花环 他用这个来掩护 artificial wreath. He used it as camouflage.
每个组成部分 Every single one of these components--
从圣诞装饰到铁钉 from Merry Christmas down to the nails...
他的炸弹是在沃尔玛买的 He bought his bomb at Walmart.
反正别带进房子 Just don't bring it in the house.
嗯 Yeah.
所有组成部分 除了炸药 Everything but the dynamite.
杰克 这完全超出你的权限了 Jack, this is way above our pay grade.
你这样是在一个超大谜团里 You're seeing one tiny piece
只关注很小的局部 of a very, very big puzzle.
肯定有什么事情是我们不知道 There's got to be something the leadership knows
但领导知道的 that we don't.
老爸啥都懂 是吧 Daddy knows best, huh?
我们负责搜集细节的信息 他们负责解谜 We gather the pieces, they do the puzzle.
这就是指挥链 所以有这个流程 Chain of command. That's why it exists.
毕竟 没错 通常老爸确实啥都懂 'Cause, yeah, Daddy usually does know best.
好吧 All right.
但这么看 But look at it like this.
假如这些资料 If what's in this dossier--
假如恩布里所说为真 i-if what Embry told us is true--
鲁道夫对执法部门情有独钟 Rudolph is obsessed with law enforcement,
他想要扮演上帝 紧盯并操纵我们 that he's playing God, watching us, manipulating us,
以及操纵民兵组织的人 我 manipulating the militiamen, too, maybe. I...
假如恩布里是对的 If Embry's right,
那就不是我们在楠塔哈拉围捕鲁道夫 it's not that we trapped Rudolph in Nantahala.
而是他 He...
围捕我们 He trapped us.